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Thewonganswer



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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:43 pm

Running through the episode 7 missions using Tigris


So far (using ~1000tp):
7-1: 4*: 5 5*: 0 6*: 0 (Hugues: 3, Margot: 1, Adele: 1, Constance: 0, Isabelle: 0)
7-2: 4*: 5 5*: 0 6*: 0 (Hugues: 1, Margot: 4, 0 for the rest)
7-3: 4*: 3 5*: 1 6*: 0 (Hugues: 2, Margot: 1, Adele: 0, Constance: 1, Isabelle: 0)
7-4: 4*: 3 5*: 1 6*: 0 (Hugues: 0, Margot: 3, Adele: 0, Constance: 1, Isabelle: 0)
7-5: 4*: 3 5*: 4?! 6*: 0 (Hugues: 0, Margot: 2, Adele: 1, Constance: 4, Isabelle: 0)

Still no Isabelle...but lots of Constance in 7-5, if i thought this was an actual trend then i'd be tempted to stick with 7-5...but alas, my last run on 7-5 brought my hopes back down to earth with no encounters.

Looks like i'm heading back to chapter 1 unless there are any other specific episodes that i can help test?


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:36 pm

Looks like the RNG caught up with me. Had a run of ~1500 TP spent without a single encounter. Things started picking up again recently, so I'm going to go to bed somewhat satisfied.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:47 am

I'll add all updates to my post on the first page.

Since most people are doing chapter 1, is there a specific chapter anyone wants to check out? I'm not aiming for anything at all this event so I can help to test out any chapter. If there isn't, I'll just continue giving data for 26-5.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:20 am

26-5 is fine as I think there are only 2 people doing it right now.

I'm moving on to 10-4 as I've spent 10k+ TP on 3-5 so far. I'll probably choose random chapters after that maybe in the later episodes to see if common wisdom is true.

I won't be updating as much today because work is pretty busy, but I might have time to do another breakdown at the end of today.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:35 pm

Done at least 2k TP for everything in 1-X. So far I like the yield I got from 1-2 and 1-4. Was doing a few runs in bed and I almost blanked out when I saw Constance xD Anyhow, updated my post.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:23 pm

1-3
250TP // Per run
Feles Lead

Total TP Spent: 10000
Total Encounters: 86

Adele: 22
Margot: 27
Hughes: 22
Constance: 8
Isabelle: 0

For the most part I ran into 2 Phantoms. Had 3 total runs with no encounters, 4 runs with 4, 1 run with 5, 12 runs with 3, 7 runs with only 1 Phantom.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:29 pm

How do you delevel them?
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:31 pm

Tumlain wrote:
How do you delevel them?

you start the battle with a boss, allow it to kill you then you let it flee. Doing this should lower its level by 3
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:32 pm

So with a lvl 41 hildegard.. If I play enough should be able to clear the event?
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:09 pm

This isn't really the place to be asking, and you'd need to define "clear the event," but I'll try to answer you anyway. If you mean what I think you mean, then it is endless (until the time limit is up), so there is no "clearing" of the event.

For future questions, you should head over here.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:24 pm

furiousjeff wrote:
1-3
250TP // Per run
Feles Lead

Total TP Spent: 10000
Total Encounters: 86

Adele: 22
Margot: 27
Hughes: 22
Constance: 8
Isabelle: 0

For the most part I ran into 2 Phantoms. Had 3 total runs with no encounters, 4 runs with 4, 1 run with 5, 12 runs with 3, 7 runs with only 1 Phantom.

Does this include you previous data, or no? It will be easier for me if you just update your first post (and delete this one so I don't double count Wink)
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:35 pm

Not including the last post from furiousjeff, here are the interim results of leader vs. encounter type (largest sample has 197 data points... i.e. not nearly enough to be conclusive):

4* Event Lead:

4* rate = 89.34%
5* rate = 9.64%
6* rate = 1.02%

197 data points.


5* Non-Event Lead:

4* rate = 93.25%
5* rate = 4.91%
6* rate = 1.84%

163 data points.


6* Non-Event Lead:

4* rate = 96.88%
5* rate = 0.00%
6* rate = 3.13%

32 data points.


5* Event Lead:

No data.


6* Event Lead:

No data.


Tomorrow I'll do another read of training episodes, and if I have time, another lead encounter rate analysis. Also, encourage people to join in. The lead unit one is very easy as you don't need to keep track of TP used or anything like that. As you can see, we sorely need more data for the other lead types.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:38 pm

I will help out and record my runs tomorrow.
I am using a 5* event lead.
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PostSubject: Data Post   Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:50 pm

Data

Lead: 5* event
Training: 1-5
4* encounters: 10
5* encounters: 2
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 12
total TP spent: 1110

Lead: 5* event
Training: 1-4
4* encounters: 2
5* encounters: 1
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 3
total TP spent: 1070

Lead: 5* event
Training: 1-3
4* encounters: 6
5* encounters: 1
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 7
total TP spent: 1330

Lead: 5* event
Training: 1-2
4* encounters: 8
5* encounters: 0
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 8
total TP spent: 1150

Lead: 5* event
Training: 1-1
4* encounters: 10
5* encounters: 1
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 11
total TP spent: 1070

Lead: 5* event
Training: 19-3
4* encounters: 1
5* encounters: 1
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 2
total TP spent: 1144

Lead: 5* event
Training: 10-4
4* encounters: 4
5* encounters: 0
6* encounters: 0
total encounters: 4
total TP spent: 1083

Just in case it makes a difference, I entered the training through the event page, not the training icon.

Edit:Last updated 3-14-13 12:15pm mst


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:56 am

I would ask that you designate one post as your data post and just keep updating that. It will make doing sweeps of the thread for data much easier. I'll be adding a note to the OP shortly regarding that.

Just curious, why would you use a 4* event lead if you had a 5* event unit? Oh, and be sure you aren't counting people you meet as turns. As a matter of fact, if you could get me the pure TP spent that would be great. I've been writing it down as I grind. Just counting the number of turns before getting an encounter or running out of TP. Then I just multiply the total turns by the TP per turn to get total TP spent. My paper looks something like this:

1 Hugues
7 Constance
4 X
13 X
1 Hugues
1 Adele
10 X
3 Margot
etc...

Since I'm doing 10-4, this would turn into:

4* Encounters: 4
5* Encounters: 1
6* Encounters: 0
Total Encounters: 5
Total TP Spent: 760

^^^This is the data I need.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:21 am

Sorry about any confusion, I just started playing a week ago so I'm new to this. I figured since I was enjoying the results of this post I would help if I could.

The reason I was using a 4* is a bit embarrassing, I didn't realize the bosses had star levels too, so I thought that people were getting more encounters when they used 4* leads when I saw things like
4*: 16
5*: 1
6*: 0

*blushes* noob alert, lol! Then when I read a bit more I realized my mistake Mad

I also didn't know that meeting people didn't count as a turn, so that was included in my data, sorry! I will make sure to rule those out now. I can take out my first data set if you wish, since it's not accurate. Let me know what to do and I'll update my post accordingly. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:28 am

Haha, don't worry about it. We still have a lot of time, so I'd say throw out your old data, and start over. It's great that you have an event 5* to work with. Now we just need someone with an event 6* to contribute and we'll have a pretty complete set... unless someone is dying for me to crunch the numbers on a non-event 4* Razz.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:59 am

I'm getting really good results at 1-2. 14 shadows(including one 6*) using only 1000TP.
But until I've used more TP I won't know if it's really that good.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:14 am

Sabin76 wrote:

4* Event Lead:

6* rate = 1.02%

197 data points.


5* Non-Event Lead:

6* rate = 1.84%

163 data points.



Is this saying that a 5* non event lead will basically encounter more 6* bosses than a 4* event unit lead?

Do the data points mean boss encounters? Can you tell if per tp spent if the 4* event leads are encountering more bosses total than non event 5*'s?
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:03 pm

Lead: 5* event
Canis Leader

300TP per run

Training: 1-5
4* encounters: 19 Adele/12 hughes/11 Margot
5* encounters: 5
6* encounters: 2
total encounters: 49
total TP speant: 4800
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:20 am

Ghost_Star wrote:
Sabin76 wrote:

4* Event Lead:

6* rate = 1.02%

197 data points.


5* Non-Event Lead:

6* rate = 1.84%

163 data points.



Is this saying that a 5* non event lead will basically encounter more 6* bosses than a 4* event unit lead?

Do the data points mean boss encounters? Can you tell if per tp spent if the 4* event leads are encountering more bosses total than non event 5*'s?

Well I think you are getting ahead of yourself here. There is not NEARLY enough data yet to draw conclusions. However, if you are looking for instant gratification, then yes: a non-event 5* encounters more 6* shadows than an event 4*... the other areas are not so nice to the 5* though with almost half the encounter rate of Constance. Like I said though, this is FAR from conclusive.

I was under the assumption that encounter rate itself (that is how often you encounter a shadow at all) is NOT dependent on leader. It's something I can look into later as the data I'm collecting should be able to tease that out if it's there.

Doing a data sweep now, will get back with an edit in a bit.

INTERIM UPDATE:

4* Event Lead:

4* rate = 90.73%
5* rate = 7.72%
6* rate = 1.55%

259 data points.


5* Event Lead:

4* rate = 87.74%
5* rate = 10.38%
6* rate = 1.89%

106 data points.


6* Event Lead:

No data.


5* Non-Event Lead:

4* rate = 92.55%
5* rate = 5.88%
6* rate = 1.57%

255 data points.


6* Non-Event Lead:

4* rate = 96.88%
5* rate = 0.00%
6* rate = 3.13%

32 data points.


Training Episode Breakdown:

It looks like Episode 1 is the current king with an average of .0073 encounters per TP or 7.3% chance of an encounter per click. Most of the sub-episodes are around that average with 1-2 as an anomoly @ an 8.4% chance per click.

The only other episode with appreciable data is 10-4 (with roughly half the TP spent) and although it gives a solid 8.4% chance of an encounter per click, you must remember that you have considerably fewer clicks in 10-4. More help here would be appreciated to catch up with episode 1 (Episode 1 is @ 32k TP spent, Episode 10-4 is @ 16k TP spent)

Since we have someone starting episode 7, it would be great if we could get more there as well.

And finally, since it seemed to be missed at least once last time...Wink

THIS DATA IS NOT CONCLUSIVE!!!

Whew! Now I'm going to bed.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:56 am

updated on my first post.

I've got slightly under 14k TP used in 26-5 atm. It feels like an awful TP:encounter ratio to me lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:21 pm

That is, indeed, an awful encounter rate @ ~.0025 encounters/TP spent. It's a ~7% chance per click which seems to be the norm, however. I am not going to draw any conclusions yet, but the data seems to indicate that the percent chance of an encounter is roughly the same for each episode, but you get way more clicks on earlier episodes...

Going to need more data in other chapters. I'll work on chapter 4, if someone wants to hit ch 5, or some of the later chapters. I assume that because the data is pointing to earlier chapters as the better option, I'm not going to expect a whole lot of people to sign up for the second option, but if you have already achieved your goals, it would be great to verify this hypothesis.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:51 pm

I'm done with my set of data. Hope it helps Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:38 pm

Alright. Here is the final tally:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArGEr0rRgbufdDJ2dG1jWDZIRXJtdk1VcDVkOXpxY0E&usp=sharing

The data at the top is my personal data, and the stuff below is... well labeled appropriately Wink.

Note that the only leads from which we can even attempt to draw any conclusions are the 4* event and 5* non-event leads. The 4* event lead encounters more 5*s while the 5* non-event lead encounters more 6*s. On the other hand, since my own data is a bit below this average (and others were far above), I'm going to say that ~300 encounters is NOT enough to give a true comparison.

As far as training episodes go, the data seems to indicate that the chance per click is roughly the same no matter which episode you are on, so Chapter 1 will be the best (confirming the previous conclusion) because of the amount of clicks you get before you run out of TP.


I will keep this up and add to it when the next training event rolls around. I don't think they've changed anything behind the scenes in the past, so there is no reason to believe that we can't just add on to this in the future.
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