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Sabin76
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PostSubject: Research on Training Events   Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:57 am

I was looking through the thread for this upcoming event and it still seems there is some info that could use a bit of research.

Rare Bandit encounters depending on leadered units:
I plan on running my Bernhard or Derpy if I can level him a bit more. None of the beasts appeal to me, and I'd like to know just how running a normal 5* compares to an event 4* (and other comparisons, for that matter). I can tell you that running a non-event 4* last time netted me about 5 or so battles with the 5*s and ZERO 6* encounters. I fought enough to get the Luna after Cleves, so it wasn't for lack of trying Razz.

It looked like this research just got started at the end of the last training event, so we might as well continue the work.

Training chapter was also something that could use more data, I think.

I know there are general consensus' on these two things, but we might as well get more evidence to support/refute what is "known" at this point.

All we'd need for the first is to know your leader and just log which bosses you get. We can break down the percentages later. If you end up switching leads, collect a new set of data for that leader.

Format should probably look something like this:

"Leader Rarity and whether event or not":

4* encounters = XXX
5* encounters = XXX
6* encounters = XXX

For the second piece, it would be great if you stick to one training episode the entire time, but just remember to make a new set of data if you switch. Those that are taking it easy, please choose an "unpopular" episode (i.e. not 1-5, 10-4, or 26-5). Format:

"Training Episode":

total encounters = XXX
total TP used = XXX

PLEASE DESIGNATE ONE POST AS YOUR "DATA POST"

At the top of your post put a big red DATA

Any new data you collect should just be added onto that post, though you don't need to segregate it from your old data (i.e. just change the numbers you have with the new totals). It will make it much easier for me when I do data sweeps of the thread.

If you have any suggestions for better formatting/data collection, let me know. Or if you have a different question about the event that we can answer through research, post it up.

EDIT: Here are the results from the latest Training Event: "Emerald Shadow Showdown"

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArGEr0rRgbufdDJ2dG1jWDZIRXJtdk1VcDVkOXpxY0E&usp=sharing

EDIT2: I will be adding data to this spreadsheet for the new training event. The king Mandrake will likely complicate things, but we can work through that. Note that I need way more data on 6*s of both the event and non-event types as well as event 5*s (if there are even event units for this upcoming training). Lastly, please make a new data post for this event. I will be putting a post in to highlight the event change to make it easier for me to do data sweeps for this event.


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:48 am

Mmmm do we post our results at the end of the event or should we just post our current progress and edit it whenever we can?
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:54 am

DATA

Either way. I'm keeping a spreadsheet and updating that as I go. If you want to update your post regularly, that might help the community a bit more Smile.

I just want to reiterate that I know research has been done and there is a general consensus on these two topics, but from what I saw, the research was only slightly better than inconclusive. What I always tell my Science students: "More data is good data."


For me:

RARE ENCOUNTER RATES:

Bernhard (non-event 5*)

4* Encounters: 177
5* Encounters: 9
6* Encounters: 1

TOTAL Encounters: 187

TRAINING EPISODE ENCOUNTER RATES:

Training on 1-5:

2 Encounters, 480 TP

Training on 3-5:

65 Encounters, 10396 TP

Training on 10-4:

80 Encounters, 18031 TP

Training on 4-4:

39 Encounters, 7696 TP


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:01 am

Alright, I'll keep a record in this post.

DATA

Sheryl 5* Non-event:

4* Encounters = 120
5* Encounters = 9
6* Encounters = 4
Total Encounters = 133

Training Episode 1-1:
Spoiler:
 

Training Episode 1-2:
Spoiler:
 

Training Episode 1-3:
Spoiler:
 

Training Episode 1-4:
Spoiler:
 

Training Episode 1-5:
Spoiler:
 


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:24 am

DATA
Here's my stats:

Tigris (Event 4*)

Training 1-X:
4* Encounters: 117 [Hugues:42 Adele:40 Margot:35]
5* Encounters: 5
6* Encounters: 2

TOTAL ENCOUNTERS: 124
TP used: 16000

Training: 1-1
Spoiler:
 

Training: 1-2
Spoiler:
 

Training: 1-3
Spoiler:
 

Training: 1-4
Spoiler:
 

Training: 1-5
Spoiler:
 


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:03 pm

Could use some more people on other training chapters XD.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:29 pm

DATA
1-5:
4* encounters (Hugues, Adele, Margarite) = 2
5* encounters (Constance) = 0
6* encounters (Isabelle) = 0
total encounters = 2
total TP used = 2450

26-5:
4* encounters (Hugues, Adele, Margarite) = 37 (12,13,12)
5* encounters (Constance) = 4
6* encounters (Isabelle) = 0
total encounters = 35
total TP used = 578 x 28 TP = 16184

Not even 1,500 charms yet, no 4* reward for me even Sad

Leader: 4* Tigris.
Last update: 15/3 9.20pm


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:37 pm

Currently running everything in 1-X to at least 1000 TP. I'll try cycle through each one every time I hit a 1000 TP mark.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:00 pm

Does anyone know if the level of your main matters in this event? i.e. does a higher level event unit encounter more bosses during training?

...And while we're talking levels, does your character level have any impact?

Thanks in advance for your answers!
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:12 pm

AscorbicJo wrote:
Does anyone know if the level of your main matters in this event? i.e. does a higher level event unit encounter more bosses during training?

...And while we're talking levels, does your character level have any impact?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

I don't think the level of your event unit affects your encounter rate with a shadow. However, a higher level unit in general will deal more damage.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:15 pm

Rirai wrote:
AscorbicJo wrote:
Does anyone know if the level of your main matters in this event? i.e. does a higher level event unit encounter more bosses during training?

...And while we're talking levels, does your character level have any impact?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

I don't think the level of your event unit affects your encounter rate with a shadow. However, a higher level unit in general will deal more damage.

Correct. Although it's something we can test... it will be hard as levels can change throughout the event.

@tomoyo, we'll keep that data. Throwing it out now would be a little biased actually. I only did two full runs in 1-5, but they are data points nonetheless.

Edited first post to include Margot (who I am going to assume is a 4* due to BT given).

^^ Brain fart moment, Margot = Marguerite Razz


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:36 pm

I just got 11 pots, will record my encounters with Tigris in 1-5 since I have not been recording it thus far. Should help increase the data pool.

Also feel free to ally request me in game, I'm on frequently.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm

event 4* Vulpes
encounters on 1-5
Margot: lvl 11
Hugues: lvl 16
Adele: lvl 14
Contance: lvl 1
Isabelle: lvl 1

TPs used: ~3600

Barbara 5*
encounters on 3-5
NONE

TPs used: ~600


I used 7 POT(p)s so far
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:43 pm

sGabe4 wrote:
event 4* Vulpes
encounters on 1-5
Margot: lvl 11
Hugues: lvl 16
Adele: lvl 14
Contance: lvl 1
Isabelle: lvl 1

TPs used: ~3600

Barbara 5*
encounters on 3-5
NONE

TPs used: ~600


I used 7 POT(p)s so far

Lookin' good so far. Please remember to switch to encounter numbers instead of level when you start deleveling them Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:58 pm

event 4* tigris

encounters on 1-5
Margot: 3
Hugues: 2
Adele: 2
Constance: 1
Isabelle: 0 Sad

tp used: ~1000

My max tp is 240, used 3 pot

Sorry don't have much else yet, was doing random training missions earlier- choosing ones that feeder cards that i like Razz

2nd run on 1-5 (with same conditions as above)
2/2/4/1/0

Can't seem to find Isabelle *sob* haha


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:59 pm

8 runs at 25TP hit 4 Bosses (Constancex2). 4 - 200 2% encounter rate. Training 1-5

6 runs at 25TP hit 9 Bosses 9 -150 6% encounter rate. Training 1-3.

Probably inconclusive data. Ill prob run both about 100 or so. Ill update at 50 mark.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:12 pm

Okay, here's my first log of data:

Stage 1-5
Leader: Tigris (Level 58)
Training attempts: 270
TP Consumed: 2700

Encounters:
Huges - 1
Adele - 4
Margot - 6
Constance - 3
Isabelle - 1

I've noticed out of the 4* units I've encountered Margot the most (21 times total), Adele second (14 times) and Huges least ( 5 times). This was the first time I've encountered Isabelle.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:36 pm

Managed to use at least 1000 TP on everything in 1-X. Used almost all of my Potion (p) >w<
Going to play a bit more casually now Razz

Oh and so many 1* cards x_x I have to keep on taking out my 2* lvl 4s and bump them up to lvl 10 just to save some space lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:30 pm

6* Dorothea Lead
Training 1-5
300 TP

1) Hughes, Margot
2) Margot
3) Hughes x2, Adele
4) Hughes, Adele x2
5) Adele
6) Hughes, Adele, Isabelle
7) Hughes, Adele, Margot
Cool Hughes x2, Margot
9) x
10) Margot x2

Overall:
Hughes - 7
Adele - 6
Margot - 6
Constance - 0
Isabelle - 1

I was going to do 20 runs, but I just got Ovis, so I'm going to lead her from now on.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:05 pm

furiousjeff wrote:
8 runs at 25TP hit 4 Bosses (Constancex2). 4 - 200 2% encounter rate. Training 1-5

6 runs at 25TP hit 9 Bosses 9 -150 6% encounter rate. Training 1-3.

Probably inconclusive data. Ill prob run both about 100 or so. Ill update at 50 mark.

Not sure what you mean here. Did you mean 250TP as your max?

Also, I just need the pure numbers:
Training Episode, TP used, # of each type of encounter (4*, 5*, 6*).

It's easier to do the percentages at the end so I don't have to weight them.

Personally, I'm doing 3-5 until I've used 10000 TP on it, then moving to another one. Also remember (as I forgot), if you are counting clicks, finding someone to brave doesn't count (you don't lose TP for that).
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:24 pm

Guess I'll input my own data here as well:

Will keep this updated as I go...

Leader: Monica

1-5: 6 runs

4* = 12
5* = 0
6* = 0

TP Spent: 1700

26-5: 0.5 runs

4* = 0
5* = 0
6* = 0

TP spent: 150


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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:47 pm

Just ran interim numbers for training episode. We have over 30k TP spent in episode 1 with 25k coming from 1-5 alone Wink. The encounter rate on 1-5 is .0056 per TP spent, or 1.71 encounters per full bar (300 TP).

Though I have 1/5 the data points for episode 3-5, at this point it is edging out episode 1 with an encounter ratio of .0068 per TP spent, or 2.04 encounters per full bar.

If anyone is feeling risky, I could sure use some data on other episodes Razz.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:27 pm

I did two more ~1000tp runs on 1-5 and got (Hugues/Margot/Adele/Constance/Isabelle) 0/2/2/1/0 and 5/3/2/0/0

I'll be out for a little bit, but let me know if there's a specific episode that you want more data on Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:41 pm

Sabin76 wrote:
furiousjeff wrote:
8 runs at 25TP hit 4 Bosses (Constancex2). 4 - 200 2% encounter rate. Training 1-5

6 runs at 25TP hit 9 Bosses 9 -150 6% encounter rate. Training 1-3.

Probably inconclusive data. Ill prob run both about 100 or so. Ill update at 50 mark.

Not sure what you mean here. Did you mean 250TP as your max?

Also, I just need the pure numbers:
Training Episode, TP used, # of each type of encounter (4*, 5*, 6*).

It's easier to do the percentages at the end so I don't have to weight them.

Personally, I'm doing 3-5 until I've used 10000 TP on it, then moving to another one. Also remember (as I forgot), if you are counting clicks, finding someone to brave doesn't count (you don't lose TP for that).

Oh sorry.

1-5
250TP
Feles

4* Encounters: 2
5* Encounters: 2
6* Encounters: 0

Total amount of TP: 2000

1-3
250TP
Feles

4* Encounters: 9
5* Encounters: 0
6* Encounters: 0

Total amount of TP: 1500

I'm running 1-3 almost exclusively since those first 8 runs I have about 5k total TP spent but I'll post when I hit 10K. Just wanted to clarify on the original numbers I sent in.
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PostSubject: Re: Research on Training Events   Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:52 pm

This is awesome! I wish I'd found this thread before I started this morning, but I'll try to keep track from now on:

Using Felidae, one of the 4* event units, for all training episodes.

Training Episode 1-1
Total TP used = 850

4* encounters (Hugues, Adele, Margarite, Margot) = 6
5* encounters (Constance) = 0
6* encounters (Isabelle) = 0
total encounters = 6


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