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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:58 pm

This thread...It is genius.
I wanna try this out and see how successful it is.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:26 pm

ATB wrote:
This thread...It is genius.
I wanna try this out and see how successful it is.

I love your name man.

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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:07 am

veritable wrote:
Soggytoaster wrote:
With 50% bonus enhancement xp it becomes:
19 x lvl 38 (or 39) 4* = max 6*
This comes to 57 te which I am guessing is a much easier target to hit in terms of
profiting from maxing a 6* from fresh status.

Any idea when the next enhancement bonus is coming?

No idea at all; I would like to know too.
I have been banking all my 2* and 3* lvl 10 feeders so that I can go
nuts when the xp enhancement bonus pops up next.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:10 am

this. is. amazing. so in depth Smile thank you
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:10 am

bleachcosplay wrote:
Update: Madmanazn figured out that two lvl. 39 4* gives the EXACT exp. as a max 4* (using the enhancement calculator).

Would it be a better idea to make them lvl. 39 instead of 38?
I had considered that too, if only so I could tell people that the 6 TE they spend on lvl 39 feeders buys exactly the same amount of feeder XP as the 8 TE they spend on lvl 80 feeders would. But really, that's the only advantage. The math proves that lvl 38 is most fair for both the buyer and the seller, so I'm going to stick to that.

One thing to keep in mind is that the math is based on fresh 4* being worth 0,5 TE. If you were to insist that a fresh 4* is worth 0,66 TE or even a full TE, the math would change and the level to sell your 4* feeders at would become higher.


PS: thanks for all the positive comments! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:45 am

Great thread. I've read the whole thing over twice. Do you have any innovative suggestions to get your fresh 4*s to lvl 38? What combination of sacrificing 1,2 and 3*s is most efficient?
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:36 am

veritable wrote:
Great thread. I've read the whole thing over twice. Do you have any innovative suggestions to get your fresh 4*s to lvl 38? What combination of sacrificing 1,2 and 3*s is most efficient?
If your "blessing of the valkyrie" skill is at level 10 (and there is no enhancement bonus from a panel event), it should take ...


37-39 (level 4) 2* units

OR

19-20 (level 10) 2* units

OR

13 (level 7) 3* units

OR

10 (level 10) 3* units

OR

9 (level 11) 3* units


... to bring a fresh 4* to level 38.

But you could also run the unit through Quest 2-7 125 times (with max allies). That's what I'm doing at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:38 am

Kimi still produces 4* feeders whether it's MAX or not ;P
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:41 am

Colaleon wrote:
veritable wrote:
Great thread. I've read the whole thing over twice. Do you have any innovative suggestions to get your fresh 4*s to lvl 38? What combination of sacrificing 1,2 and 3*s is most efficient?
If your "blessing of the valkyrie" skill is at level 10 (and there is no enhancement bonus from a panel event), it should take ...


37-39 (level 4) 2* units

OR

19-20 (level 10) 2* units

OR

13 (level 7) 3* units

OR

10 (level 10) 3* units

OR

9 (level 11) 3* units


... to bring a fresh 4* to level 38.

But you could also run the unit through Quest 2-7 125 times (with max allies). That's what I'm doing at the moment.

Thank you Colaleon for doing the math. You're hired!
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:04 am

I prefer Lv 40 4* for 4 TE since it really is a waste if you don't level it to 40 >_<

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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:30 am

Seems like everyone's hopping on the bandwagon train, so I'll play the devil's advocate.

A couple of things:

While I may be wrong, I don't think you can artificially change the market with a thread like this. how many players play the game, compared to how many are on this forum? The fact is, as it is, most people will buy max units rather than units leveled halfway. As such, it'll be extremely hard to find buyers for your level 38 units.

Given the chat system (or lack thereof) in game, I doubt you can very efficiently explain your reasoning. Leveling units to 38 will just make them sit in your inventory at a theoretical price, with very few if any potential buyers.

There are benefits to buying maxed units versus mid-leveled. Mid-leveled units take a lot more space, and takes more time to manage. To the buyer who's willing to spend hundreds of TE to level a 6*, they're not looking for absolute efficiency, but looking to save time and effort.

While idealistic, the thinking here is very naive. You won't get everyone to cooperate. But even if you did, you're making the assumption that prices stay the same.

Let's assume that people did take your advice. So instead of buying 3 4*s like in an example a poster before mentioned, people will now need to buy 8.

This is using almost triple the amount of 4*s. To compensate for such an influx in the demand for 4*s, I'm sure people will start charging more for level 1 4*s.

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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:50 am

@sharpyzu: you make some good points. I doubt I could the entire Fantasica community would adopt this method, but don't think it's impossible to see the entire community of this forum adopting it.

sharpyzu wrote:
Let's assume that people did take your advice. So instead of buying 3 4*s like in an example a poster before mentioned, people will now need to buy 8.

This is using almost triple the amount of 4*s. To compensate for such an influx in the demand for 4*s, I'm sure people will start charging more for level 1 4*s.
This is a slight exaggeration. A level 38 unit grants almost 50% of the XP a level 80 unit grants, so the amount of 4*s needed would double - not triple. I see plenty of players with such a large excess of fresh 4*s they can't get rid of, so I'm hoping the extra demand will not be so high as to inflate the prices. This is just me hoping and guessing though.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:58 am

sharpyzu wrote:

This is using almost triple the amount of 4*s. To compensate for such an influx in the demand for 4*s, I'm sure people will start charging more for level 1 4*s.


I'm all for the value of cards increasing again, any increase in 4* prices could only be a good thing for the game's economy.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:14 am

Well there isn't a lot of TE floating about. D:
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:54 am

Do people still sell 4*s for 1te? I don't really see any in the trade area. At least not on the first page.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:28 pm

Yeah they actually do.
I haven't seen them advertise too much lately.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:58 pm

veritable wrote:
Do people still sell 4*s for 1te? I don't really see any in the trade area. At least not on the first page.

Less than that. I'm selling fresh 4*s 3 for 2TE or 5 for 3TE and haven't been very successful selling at that price.

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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:14 pm

Kadaan wrote:
veritable wrote:
Do people still sell 4*s for 1te? I don't really see any in the trade area. At least not on the first page.

Less than that. I'm selling fresh 4*s 3 for 2TE or 5 for 3TE and haven't been very successful selling at that price.

Sorry, I meant to say, "Do people still sell two 4*s for one te."
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:32 pm

:O Thank you for this thread. I'm still a bit of a newbie so been wanting to save TE for my first 5*. This will probably help a lot in my long journey Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:52 pm

How tentative are the prices for a lvl 38 4*?

I feel like once this catches on, prices are going to go down. It might force out the people trying to sell fresh 4* for TE's (already happening?) and consequently beginners will have a harder time accumulating enough to purchase a lvl 38 4* (priced higher than a fresh 4*...for now).

Am I overthinking things? D:
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:05 pm

We can speculate all we want but we don't truly know what will happen.
What we do know is that this method IS more efficient. If we can get people
to see that then hopefully common sense and logic will kick in.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:34 pm

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How tentative are the prices for a lvl 38 4*?

I feel like once this catches on, prices are going to go down. It might force out the people trying to sell fresh 4* for TE's (already happening?) and consequently beginners will have a harder time accumulating enough to purchase a lvl 38 4* (priced higher than a fresh 4*...for now).

Am I overthinking things? D:

Selling lvl 38 4* at 3 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 3 te = 15 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 15 te - 2.5 te = 12.5 te

Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 1 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 3 te = 15 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 x 1 = 5 te
Total profit: 15 te - 5 te = 10 te

We still make 2 te profit over selling 1 max 4* at 8 te even if the fresh 4* cards are purchased at 1 te each.

Selling lvl 38 4* at 2 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2 te = 10 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 10 te - 2.5 te = 7.5 te

We make a loss at this price compared to selling 1 max 4* at 8 te. I wont even bother showing the results for 1 te cost on fresh 4* cards.

The only way to go is in between the two selling prices.

Selling lvl 38 4* at 2.5 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2.5 te = 12.5 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 12.5 te - 2.5 te = 10 te

Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 1 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2.5 te = 12.5 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 x 1 = 5 te
Total profit: 12.5 te - 5 te = 7.5 te

We make a profit of 2 te when buying fresh 4* cards for 0.5 te. Buying for 1 te per card at this selling price makes a loss compared to selling 1 max 4* card.

Conclusion:

There is very little leeway in regards to sale price of a level 38 4* card. 3 te per card is optimum but if necessary 2.5 te per card can be used ONLY when purchasing fresh 4* cards at 0.5 te each.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:40 am

lvl 40 4* should be sold at 3te each. 4* cards should be sold at 1te each or around 3te a set.

I should stop dreaming.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:02 am

4*s are selling two for 1te which seems reasonable. I took advantage of a better deal than that quite recently.
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PostSubject: Re: 4* feeders should be sold at level 38   Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:03 am


veritable wrote:
4*s are selling two for 1te which seems reasonable. I took advantage of a better deal than that quite recently.
Those are usually the ones who pay to get 6*, usually their inbox is totally crowded so they're selling it 2 4* for 1 TE, they haven't got much business lately though.
Soggytoaster wrote:
wowyogurt wrote:
How tentative are the prices for a lvl 38 4*?

I feel like once this catches on, prices are going to go down. It might force out the people trying to sell fresh 4* for TE's (already happening?) and consequently beginners will have a harder time accumulating enough to purchase a lvl 38 4* (priced higher than a fresh 4*...for now).

Am I overthinking things? D:

Selling lvl 38 4* at 3 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 3 te = 15 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 15 te - 2.5 te = 12.5 te

Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 1 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 3 te = 15 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 x 1 = 5 te
Total profit: 15 te - 5 te = 10 te

We still make 2 te profit over selling 1 max 4* at 8 te even if the fresh 4* cards are purchased at 1 te each.

Selling lvl 38 4* at 2 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2 te = 10 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 10 te - 2.5 te = 7.5 te

We make a loss at this price compared to selling 1 max 4* at 8 te. I wont even bother showing the results for 1 te cost on fresh 4* cards.

The only way to go is in between the two selling prices.

Selling lvl 38 4* at 2.5 te each:


Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 0.5 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2.5 te = 12.5 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 / 2 = 2.5 te
Total profit: 12.5 te - 2.5 te = 10 te

Taking into account that a fresh 4* is purchased at 1 te each:

Amount charged: 5 lvl 38 4* x 2.5 te = 12.5 te
Cost to acquire cards: 5 x 1 = 5 te
Total profit: 12.5 te - 5 te = 7.5 te

We make a profit of 2 te when buying fresh 4* cards for 0.5 te. Buying for 1 te per card at this selling price makes a loss compared to selling 1 max 4* card.

Conclusion:

There is very little leeway in regards to sale price of a level 38 4* card. 3 te per card is optimum but if necessary 2.5 te per card can be used ONLY when purchasing fresh 4* cards at 0.5 te each.
Again, it really depends on the seller of the 4*
This is why I really hate the 4* prices now, they're so cheap and dam easy to get...
And not really that much profits >_<

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