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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:08 pm

Changed my lineup

Vlad
Nina
Petra
Saki
Hikaru

All i need are time elixirs now and i think ill do well.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:53 pm

NapkinPower wrote:
Achillea seems like a better option than Remika

I guess it's a moot point now that I lost all my princesses and picked up a max Erhard and Franz:

Laura (15)
?? (15)
Erhard (25)
Bernhard / Meg / Sonia (25)
Franziska (20)

Just have to go find another Kyo to fill that ?? spot and/or settle for a 4* there and see if I even need her as I feel my team is strong enough for top 200 regardless.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:53 pm

Also? The grimoire off of which this event is based is FASCINATING. I highly recommend looking into it just for funsy.

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/demons/goetia-demons/
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:59 pm

clocksprocket wrote:
I went and looked it up, struesdell had calculated it:

Code:
(HighestDamageStat*SkillModifiers)+(.25*((MiddleDamageStat*SkillModifiers)+(LowestDamageStat*SkillModifiers))

So using that formula and the unit stats from the zoebeagle spreadsheet (probably should've asked first, sorry!), I made up another spreadsheet with the unit information (I didn't see one already made anywhere). It doesn't take into account unit speed or abilities, but the three pages sort it alphabetically, total coliseum stats, and stats per point of cost. Mostly did it out of curiousity on comparisons, but figure if I made any mistakes, others would point them out.

Here's the Link
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:03 pm

that seems like a lot of time that you put into it.

Smile

Oktavia 4194 stats per point. is this high good or low good?

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:05 pm

High should be good.

Not really too much time, most of it was copy/paste. The hardest thing was formatting the formula into a spreadsheet format. Excel is better than google docs though, imo. Despite most of it being similar.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:09 pm

^

i'm always happy when i can make a Plus or Minus Formula in Excel

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:13 pm

in your list,

Who is Lu Bu?

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:15 pm

The list was taken from the master spreadsheet by zoebeagle. The list, as I understand, has cards not yet released. As such not all the cards on the list are available as of yet. As I said, mostly copy/paste so if I clean it up, I'll end up removing the ones not available here.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:18 pm

Oh i see

maybe less confusing if you did.

as long as it doesn't take too much time.

Or maybe add a new Row Released : Y / N just like the spreadsheet of zoebeagle

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:24 pm

How's that? I made tabs for all cards, as well as currently released ones.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:27 pm

i'm less confused about it so it's good Razz

Very good work Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:54 pm

ElysianField wrote:
i'm less confused about it so it's good Razz

Very good work Very Happy

Thank you for the kind words sunny
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:15 pm

I enjoyed the hell out of the Colosseum event last time, so I'm very much looking forward to this one. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:18 pm

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Who is Lu Bu?

THE MAN THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS RUN AWAY AT FIRST SIGHT!


Sorry, off topic.... I love it when they allow 2 ranking tables in the last coliseum to allow more top winners to be shown and more prizes for many as well, so can't wait to have it happen again. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:19 pm

Xzaral wrote:
Thank you for the kind words sunny

I think we need a Legend of some sort?
Not really sure who's better than who. Stats per points?

clocksprocket wrote:
With 20% boosts:
Robert: 39220
Yuriya: 37701
Achillea: 43481

Based on these numbers from Clocks, they aren't matching up
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:30 pm

sagemacleod wrote:
Xzaral wrote:
Thank you for the kind words sunny

I think we need a Legend of some sort?
Not really sure who's better than who. Stats per points?

Who's better than who is largely a matter of situation and preference. The spreadsheet simply acts as a tool in assisting a person in making such decisions. For example, per point Heidemarie is the best unit listed. But her overall stats are beaten by most 6* cards. This also doesn't take into account speed (which I'm not certain exactly how that's figured into things) or skills.

For a guide on how to utilize though, I'd recommend seeing which cards are highest on the total stats list to form a base, then utilize the per point to fill out up to 100points.

sagemacleod wrote:
clocksprocket wrote:
With 20% boosts:
Robert: 39220
Yuriya: 37701
Achillea: 43481

Based on these numbers from Clocks, they aren't matching up

Clocks took into account 20% boosts. I only took into account base card values without boosts. Multiply the total or per point stats by 1.2 and you'll get the boosted number. Also I went out to the hundredths place and the above numbers are rounded it appears.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:14 pm

At least when it came to Venus the skill tiering was:
Knockback = Area Attack > Poison = Slow > Attack Boost

Knockback, regardless of skill level and raw stats, did an immediately good thing.
Area Attack was a large chunk of damage, especially given most AA holders have high overall stats.
Poison was useful, but not automatically game-winning if you were hit back with AA or KB.
Slow was useful later in to edge in a few more hits before time ran out.
Attack Boost was unreliable and required time to implement, and overall you might as well just use a Elf Potion.

Speeds mostly matters for determining how likely it is you'll be KB'd or how long poison would drag on your Stamina bar. Angela was pretty effective as when she went off you had a clear shot at 3-4 units before a D-Speed Poison could take the edge off. Knockback, similarly, is about location. As it takes out the next unit in line. So A-B speed KB was very nice to take out heavy hitting B-D speed opponents.

E speed has the drawback of usually getting the least number of slots in the battle lineup. As 30 doesn't evenly divide by 14.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:17 pm

Achillea (B speed Knockback will be usefull then ^

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:43 pm

Good analysis Rakath and those are some good points. I kinda just thought of it as all luck the last time around, but I guess it makes sense to try to "optimize" for the first round which is really the only one you have control over since after that there are way too many variables.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:20 pm

I have those same numbers in my own spreadsheet, but I also have a colosseum rating based on weighted speed, skills, and deploy costs.

I'm waiting to post it after I can verify that the formula is how damage is actually calculated.

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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:50 pm

clocksprocket wrote:
I'm waiting to post it after I can verify that the formula is how damage is actually calculated.

Can you post it now clocks? We can use the formula at our own risk, but it's helpful for deciding what to level before the event starts.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:51 pm

NapkinPower wrote:
Good analysis Rakath and those are some good points. I kinda just thought of it as all luck the last time around, but I guess it makes sense to try to "optimize" for the first round which is really the only one you have control over since after that there are way too many variables.

Last time around I had just started to get 4-Star units, so while I could see the pros and cons of unit organization... I had no way to modify it as I was just using my best units (Biance, Livia, Achillea, Gunnel, Gloria). My only other units on hand were Blad and Mermaid, at the time. Slow wasn't worth losing Biance's speed.

This time I have options, I think I have the right selection to work with and make something move here. I can shuffle if things don't come up aces for me.
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:02 am

Poison was a must have for me. I found that when I had a unit use poison the damage they inflicted on me was matched by that done to them. Of course, I was a lower level than now so that may change but poison made the difference between loss and victory.

And Clocks, you're amazing XP
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PostSubject: Re: [EVENT] The Key of Goetia [Oct 22 - Oct 29]    Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:20 am

Rakath wrote:
At least when it came to Venus the skill tiering was:
Knockback = Area Attack > Poison = Slow > Attack Boost

I would move slow up to the top tier.

Knockback was great if you hit off a big attack person, but it also could just hit a less important attacker when you are facing an onslaught of opponent attacks.

Slow has the ability to have one or a few of your players jump over opponent attacks. I can't tell you how many times a slow going off (even from a weakling like Maia), saved me.

Area Attack is good for the double dmg.
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