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PostSubject: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:04 pm

This is an attempt to determine whether rank makes a difference or not for your next battles. Please share what your experience was in your battles by answering the following questions. You can of course add more details if you want to.

Which battle# was this?
How many opponents were deployed?
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have?
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle?
What was your rank before the start of the battle?
How many (active) guildies does your guild have?
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have?
What was roughly the final score of the battle?
Did you win or lose this battle?
Did you win or lose your previous battle?

Please refrain from including the name of your or your opponent's guild/players here out of privacy reasons, thank you!

I'm trying to this collect data so we can have a better understanding of or feel how the matching system works in detail. I've read BkWiz's thread (http://www.fantasicaunofficial.com/t9160-guild-event-mechanics-match-up-portion-complete). I believe him that the number of wins is the biggest parameter in match up system, because our guild went against guilds with the same win count last GW. However, it has not been proven or theorized that rank/gp points is definitely not a parameter in one way or another. It is however 100% certain that you are not matched with an opponent next to you in rank.


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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:10 pm

I'll start.

Which battle# was this?
> #2
How many opponents were deployed?
> 1
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have?
> had Grace as lead, was taken out easily by a 5* rook
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle?
> 1W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle?
> ~450
How many (active) guildies does your guild have?
> Full and all active
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have?
> mostly 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle?
> our 3m vs their 20k
Did you win or lose your last battle?
> Won last battle
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:54 pm

Okey, I'm next then :

Which battle# was this? 1st one
How many opponents were deployed? 2 of 'em
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? A mix of 4* and 5* mostly, with a 6* for one of 'em
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? Well, first one so...
What was your rank before the start of the battle? Same.
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* Paris as lead, and good 5* to complete.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 750k for me; 1M3 for 'em
Did you win or lose your last battle? Same...

And

Which battle# was this? 2nd
How many opponents were deployed? None...
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Well, I dunno.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1 lose; 0 win.
What was your rank before the start of the battle? Around 1200ish
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? As before.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Rougly 350k for me, 0 for 'em.
Did you win or lose your last battle? Well, lost.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Which battle# was this? #2
Did you win or lose this battle? Win
What was your opponent's rank? (if known)

What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1W:0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 465
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 4189206 - 396275
Did you win or lose your last battle? Win

Suggested some extra questions. Are the questions about units and active members necessary?
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:46 pm

I reckon we would know if you won or lost going by the final score, so that was not necessary, but it is convenient. I didn't add the opponent's rank, because most of us won't know their rank, but if you do know, then by all means add this detail.

I added the units and active members questions, because it could give us an impression of how strong the other guild was compared to your guild, so we have an indication whether they gave up, were outclassed or if you were evenly matched.

I understand that this is also sensitive information, so if you don't want to convey this information, then I'd totally understand. However, even if you know my Game ID, you still don't know in what guild I am, so it's not that revealing (unless you're widely popular).
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:00 pm

Which battle# was this? 2
How many opponents were deployed? 3
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Mainly 6*, underleveled defense though.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1W 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? iono
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 3
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* leads, mixed party
What was roughly the final score of the battle? ~700k to 2m
Did you win or lose your last battle? Won.

Which battle# was this? 3
How many opponents were deployed? 7
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Amavel, Selena, Closer, fairly weak defense. Fairly weak offense as well - most attackers couldn't break my mixed 5*/6* defense in one attack.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2W 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? Low 700s
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 9
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? At least half people have a full 6* team, the others have 3+ 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 1.7m to 3.7m
Did you win or lose your last battle? Won.

Things are going to get interesting sometime tonight...
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:59 pm

Which battle# was this? 3rd one
How many opponents were deployed? 4 of 'em
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 6* mostly, with a few 5* to complete
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1W, 1L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 1700ish
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* Paris as lead, and good 5* to complete.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? I gave up at the end, when 2 more connected and use pot on pot, I got took on 2M something, and 450k for me.
Did you win or lose your last battle? Won

And

Which battle# was this? 4th
How many opponents were deployed? none of 'em
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Well...
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2 L; 1 W
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 1788
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* Paris as lead, and good 5* to complete.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? rougly 300k.
Did you win or lose your last battle? Lost.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:03 pm

Well, I'll give the significant ones (obvious spending guilds and such)

Which battle# was this? 3rd
How many opponents were deployed? 8
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 6*, 6* 7* mix, and full 7*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2-0
What was your rank before the start of the battle? Around 150
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 7
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? Full 6*. One 7* from one member.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 1mil to 11mil
Did you win or lose your last battle? Lost
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:28 am

Guild Name: ✴Fallen★Angels✴
A highly active 6* free player guild.

Opponent: pussicotton
Barring 2 members, this seems like its mostly a free guild. The 2 others use tonics generously and have all 7* units.

Which battle# was this?
> #2
How many opponents were deployed?
> 9
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have?
> Carmilla as lead, a complete 7* defense with the occasional 6*s.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle?
> 1W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle?
> 35
How many (active) guildies does your guild have?
> Full and all active
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have?
> mostly 6*, occasional 5*
What was roughly the final score of the battle?
> our 4m vs their 6.5m
Did you win or lose your last battle?
> Lost this battle
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:13 am

Which battle# was this? 5th
How many opponents were deployed? Only one
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? A team of 6*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2 L; 2 W
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 1899
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* Paris as lead, and good 5* to complete.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? ~400k
Did you win or lose your last battle? Won.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:05 am

Thanks everyone for your input!! This is great stuff! But please refrain from including the name of your or the opponent's guild for privacy reasons, thank you!  Wink

Which battle# was this? #3
How many opponents were deployed? 7
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Mostly 5*, though 1 had a 7* lead
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? ~450
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 8
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? Mostly mlb 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Our 3.7m vs their 1.7m
Did you win or lose this battle? Won
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Won

Which battle# was this? #4
How many opponents were deployed? 3
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 5*/6*, can't be sure, because they didn't heal much for me to attack them
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 3W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? ~420
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 9
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? mostly mlb 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Our 3m vs their 350k
Did you win or lose this battle? Won
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Won

Which battle# was this? #5
How many opponents were deployed? ZERO and then 2 came online after 30 minutes
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? A 4* lead (rook?) and a 5*/6*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 4W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? ~410
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 8
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? mostly mlb 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Our 4.4m vs their 150k
Did you win or lose this battle? Won
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Won
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:15 am

For now, the thing that strikes me is that both a rank 150 and rank 35 guild were matched with significantly tougher opponents, as early as in the 2nd and 3rd battle. And that while my guild had 4 wins and faced a near empty guild on our 5th battle. The same can be said about the other match ups: low rank, not so tough opponents on paper.

Coincidence? Time will tell, so we need more input from you guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:58 am

Which battle# was this? 6th
How many opponents were deployed? None showed up
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? Well...
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 3 L; 2 W
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 1907
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Only me.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6* Paris as lead, and good 5* to complete.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? ~360k
Did you win or lose your last battle? Won.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:01 am

Spacebug wrote:
For now, the thing that strikes me is that both a rank 150 and rank 35 guild were matched with significantly tougher opponents, as early as in the 2nd and 3rd battle. And that while my guild had 4 wins and faced a near empty guild on our 5th battle. The same can be said about the other match ups: low rank, not so tough opponents on paper.

Coincidence? Time will tell, so we need more input from you guys.

This is because rank does not dictate whom you face. It's purely based on the number of wins.

Check this page. It explains how matches are planned.

Rank is only for visual purposes as to whom is closer to the prizes at hand. They do not dictate who is stronger or weaker, only report those who had more succesfull attacks and/or used more tonics/potions to achieve victory. So a team of 9 friends with 2 7* each may be casual and only do the minimum wage to get the 6*, or even the 7* with minimum wager, while a 6* could be spending like crazy to attempt the ranking's 7*.

Still, not to deviate from the topic, i'll bring a battle of mine as well.

Which battle# was this? #5
How many opponents were deployed? One. Apparently, a one-man guild.
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? A 6* lead
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 3W / 2L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 285
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? At that battle, 6.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 7 with 6*, 1 with at least 1 7* and a pure rook with an event 4*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Roughly 3,76M vs 226k
Did you win or lose this battle? Won
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Lost
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:26 am

@Vaati, the thing that striked me is that those with ranks around 400-700 (and 0 losses) had significantly easier battles, compared to the 2 entries with rank 150 and 35 (and 0 losses). They got extremely tough opponents in very early battles. Call me crazy, but I do see a hint of correlation between rank and match up at this point. But still, this can very well be a coincidence, so I'll be cautious at this point with drawing any hard conclusions. We need more data.


Which battle# was this? #6
How many opponents were deployed? 6
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 6* and 7*, their defense was pretty tough. Used items like breathing air.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 5W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? ~330
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 5-6
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? mostly mlb 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? Our 2.2m vs their 4.8m
Did you win or lose this battle? Lost
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Won


NOTE: I'll sometimes add or modify the wording of the questions, so please always use the template in the opening post.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:00 pm

Which battle# was this? #2
How many opponents were deployed? 9
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 7*, 6*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1w-0loss
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 43
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 7-9
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6*, two 7*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 8mil - 7.5mil GP
Did you win or lose this battle? loss
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Won

Which battle# was this? #3,4,5
How many opponents were deployed? 3-5
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 5*, 6*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 1win - 1 loss
What was your rank before the start of the battle? 47
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 7-9
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? 6*, two 7*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 7-9mil - Enemy 2mil
Did you win or lose this battle? Won all
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Loss
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:42 am

Thanks for the input Jasper! Your second battle wasn't easy and to me it's not a surprise that your rank is so high, r43. You third to fifth battles were relatively easy because you had a loss already, and with that dropped down a bracket.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:46 pm

Spacebug wrote:
@Vaati, the thing that striked me is that those with ranks around 400-700 (and 0 losses) had significantly easier battles, compared to the 2 entries with rank 150 and 35 (and 0 losses). They got extremely tough opponents in very early battles. Call me crazy, but I do see a hint of correlation between rank and match up at this point. But still, this can very well be a coincidence, so I'll be cautious at this point with drawing any hard conclusions. We need more data.

Just be careful in what you call 'early'. There are currently only 2 undefeated guilds right now (AFAIK). This is after battle 12.

Which means that 5 battles ago, there were roughly 128 undefeated guilds (after battle 7). That's not a large number.

That said it would make sense for them to subdivide the top (undefeated) bracket into rankers and non-rankers so that no one 'lucked' into the top bracket. However, the speed at which the undefeated bracket shrinks could make this unnecessary (although there may be implications for how quickly one gets knocked into the 1 and 2-loss brackets).
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:55 pm

Roanmarvel wrote:
Spacebug wrote:
@Vaati, the thing that striked me is that those with ranks around 400-700 (and 0 losses) had significantly easier battles, compared to the 2 entries with rank 150 and 35 (and 0 losses). They got extremely tough opponents in very early battles. Call me crazy, but I do see a hint of correlation between rank and match up at this point. But still, this can very well be a coincidence, so I'll be cautious at this point with drawing any hard conclusions. We need more data.

Just be careful in what you call 'early'.  There are currently only 2 undefeated guilds right now (AFAIK).  This is after battle 12.

Which means that 5 battles ago, there were roughly 128 undefeated guilds (after battle 7).  That's not a large number.

That said it would make sense for them to subdivide the top (undefeated) bracket into rankers and non-rankers so that no one 'lucked' into the top bracket.  However, the speed at which the undefeated bracket shrinks could make this unnecessary (although there may be implications for how quickly one gets knocked into the 1 and 2-loss brackets).

I've based above post on below 2 entries, which are the 2nd and 3rd battle. Following your calculation, there were roughly 4096 and 2048 undefeated guilds at those points, so I'd say that's early. Jasper's post about his 2nd battle is agreeing with this trend, since they were ranked 43rd.

Amasuro wrote:
Well, I'll give the significant ones (obvious spending guilds and such)

Which battle# was this? 3rd
How many opponents were deployed? 8
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 6*, 6* 7* mix, and full 7*
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 2-0
What was your rank before the start of the battle? Around 150
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? 7
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? Full 6*. One 7* from one member.
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 1mil to 11mil
Did you win or lose your last battle? Lost

MagnaCrimson wrote:
Guild Name: ✴Fallen★Angels✴
A highly active 6* free player guild.

Opponent: pussicotton
Barring 2 members, this seems like its mostly a free guild. The 2 others use tonics generously and have all 7* units.

Which battle# was this?
> #2
How many opponents were deployed?
> 9
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have?
> Carmilla as lead, a complete 7* defense with the occasional 6*s.
What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle?
> 1W / 0L
What was your rank before the start of the battle?
> 35
How many (active) guildies does your guild have?
> Full and all active
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have?
> mostly 6*, occasional 5*
What was roughly the final score of the battle?
> our 4m vs their 6.5m
Did you win or lose your last battle?
> Lost this battle
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:12 am

Which battle# was this? 15
How many opponents were deployed? 6. 5 were active.
What rarity units/leads did your opponents mostly have? 6* leads.

Would like to note that two enemy members essentially cannoned the entire time, swapping off 1-unit defense, and had a total of over 2.8m and 2m points. The others were attacking occasionally, but didn't get many points.

What was your win / loss ratio before the start of the battle? 9W 5L
What was your rank before the start of the battle? ~450
How many (active) guildies does your guild have? Had 7.
What rarity units/leads does your guild mostly have? Essentially mix of 5* and 6*
What was roughly the final score of the battle? 6.9m to 6.6m
Did you win or lose this battle? Won
Did you win or lose your previous battle? Lost


Wondering if things are really starting to kick up. Burned through 10 pots, though I spent about half of them attacking and the rest on full-team defense. We would have lost without a full team blocking, which was quite amazing given that they were basically using 1-unit defenses while cannoning at the same time, having pushes every few minutes.

Our ranking also jumped up about 80 ranks after this fight.

Not sure if my input here is helpful, but I'm interested in seeing whether or not there's a point in which we start getting matched with easier opponents, before getting 23 wins.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:21 am

@relaystration, any data is good, the more te better, even if it's not immediatly useable.

I'll post mine when I get the chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:34 am

Battle 18 was fairly difficult. Heavy burning on both sides, barely won with 7/9 on each side.

Battles 19 and 20 required almost no burning from our team. Enemies did not have as high-rarity leaders, but there was an unknown Partenope lead in battle 19 and a Camelot lead in battle 20. Don't think there's much worth mentioning here besides the fact that the battles were unusually easy.

(I'm posting battle 20 results before the end because it's that much of a runaway win.)
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:47 am

Ok, this is weird.
19W 10L

Next matchup: Super Rangers. Unless there can be multiple guilds with the same name...

Edit: Yep. Duplicates possible. Time to attempt to beat "Super Rangers"


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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:51 am

They are on their downward slope. Read BkWiz's thread 'Guild Event Mechanics' for a detailed explanation.

There's not much you can do but hope your next match will be easier.
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PostSubject: Re: Guild Wars - your experience in facing your opponents   Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:56 am

There can be multiple teams with the same name. There's at least twoSuper Rangers teams that I've seen.

Keep your fingers crossed it's a knock-off =p.
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